The Two Rivers (must see)

Below shown photos are of the two rivers flowing in southern part near Cape Town , South Africa.

These rivers flow together and there nature came to know in the starting of 20th century where as ALLAH (SWT)mentioned the nature of these two rivers in Holy Quran around 1400years Back.

These two river flow together and finally settle down in the Ocean,taste of one river is extreamly sweet whereas the taste of another river is extreamly opposite (that is bitter) but they never mix.There is nothing in between these rivers which stops them from mixing together but its is the will & order of the Almighty ALLAH.

Although there are large waves, strong currents, and tides in these seas, they do not mix or transgress this barrier.

The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. God has said:

He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. ” (Quran, 55:19-20)

Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density. For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundred kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1000 meters with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics.

Modern science has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from what is found in places where two seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers. This partition (zone of separation) has a different salinity from the fresh water and from the salt water.

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  1. Anonymous Coward

    The rivers don’t mix because they have different densities due to different temperatures and composition. There is no miracle or anything amazing here. A basic understanding of science is sufficient to explain natural phenomena without the need to attribute them to miracles and super powers. The two rivers will not stay like this indefinitely, and will eventually mix.

    You can find out more by searching for “river plumes” in google.

  2. Anonymous coward, if you read all my post, you might also noticed that I mentioned about the modern science discovery and not just a miracle as you said. :)

  3. BY the way, what I’m trying to show here is the relationship bet. Qur-an and science, that’s all!

  4. Anonymous Coward

    Dear,

    The “observation” of the separation is not modern science. People since the stone age could see (they had eyes, and they had rivers) that some bodies of water do not mix. The Quran simply states that observation, it does not “explain” it, it just says there is a “barrier” between them.

    Modern science *explained* this phenomena, and guess what, there is no “barrier” between the two bodies. The reason is due difference in density, and not some magical barrier.

    You can see this “miracle” your self by pouring syrup into a glass of water. The phenomena with the Mediterranean and the Atlantic ocean is the same thing, just on a very large scale.

  5. bbq8

    I am sorry but you have your facts all mixed up! There are no rivers meeting like this in South Africa. The river that you are referring to is the Amazon in South America. Also, they do mix together after a few miles and the story about the sweet and bitterness, … just a myth!

  6. Anonymous coward, for more information about this recent discoveries, read the “Oceanography, Gross, p. 242. A lso see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301″

    bbq8, I don’t have so much info about Amazon river all I knew about it is it’s the second longest river in the word next to Nile,

    “He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53) ” so I don’t think the sweet and bitterness is just a myth.

  7. zfboy

    Masha Allah, that’s how truth the Qurán is! what is being discovered recently was written on it 1400 years ago! I read something like this also in some websites. Thanks for sharing it here sister :)

  8. sas

    salwang din a benal e isa anan a ngcomment…

  9. Bilal

    SubhaanAllah.

  10. Anonymous Coward

    Interesting reply. Have you read “Oceanography, Gross, p. 242. A lso see Introductory Oceanography, Thurman, pp. 300-301″ or you just copy/pasted this reference from another site?

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Oceanography%2C+Gross%2C+p.+242.+A+lso+see+Introductory+Oceanography%2C+Thurman%2C+pp.+300-301&btnG=Google+Search

    Very funny!

  11. zf, sas and bilal, thanks for your comments :), have a nice day!

    Anonymous coward, thanks for the new info, actualy I read the reference in one forum almost one month ago so I immediately searched for the book and fortunately I have it now, the 9th edition of Introductory to Oceanography by Harold Thurman and Elizabeth Burton, after I read the topic that I was searching for, I posted my entry here to spread the news to my fellow muslims, I never read the Oceanogrphy by Gross, I never thought that this discoveries are being posted in hundreds websites, I just discovered it now. BTW thanks for the info.

  12. Hmad

    I heard this topic from one television lecturer, he elaborated it in a veyr clear manner, I wish you viewed it.

  13. Hmad, unfortunately I didn’t. Anyway, thanks for dropping by :)

  14. I believe what ALLAH said in the quran…The kafir, they just cannot see and cannot think…
    Good work sis….

  15. Akhtar

    Anonymous coward, agreed that there is a scientific explanation, but, who created the scientific difference ? Doesn’t it prove His capability to anything?

  16. Akhtar

    Furthermore, I believe the same phenomena exists between the Meiterranean and the Atlantic.

  17. rosy

    Allah has his signs and miricles everywhere all you need is an eye for it …people who deny will see it in the world hereafter

  18. Wayne

    Fortunately for humanity, all of God’s secrets are not revealed to us. We spend so much time seeking to either discredit one another, making wars and not observing or being respectful to each others beliefs, spiritual teachings, that undoubtedly Heaven (Paradise) may be enjoyed by very few. …”In professing themselves to be wise, they made themselves fools”… Is it not better for all of us toappreciate the mystery and long for the day when it is explained to us by he who created it. Sincere blessings to all.

  19. Rukayah Amin

    Hey everyone!
    interesting comments I saw up there especially the one who always says “anonymous coward”. Look anyone who hates Islam or don’t bealieve in the Quran will obviously contradict it. Plus it is surely a miracle. If u dont bealive how come it is not stated in ur bible. even ur bible dont give specifications. how come the scientists discovered this only recently when it waz in the quran a 1400 yrs ago? And bbq8 for ur info its not da amazon, its the atlantic ocean n medateranian ocean that does this. Check on Jaques Cousteau. I admire all of ur strong factss but u guys have to be opened minded. if u truly bealive wat is right den we can sit n have debate. if u want some proof u can read my unfinished miracles of the quran by sending me an e-mail.rukayah_zidane_24@hotmail.com. I bealive in what Allah says.
    also rienne, thnx for being brave to post this n all those who supported
    And Akhtar good comment.
    Peace to everyone!

  20. Rukayah Amin

    also forgot 2 mention bbq8 ur facts are rather jumbled up. srry i have 2say that=(

  21. Mohammed yaseen

    hey chaps!! i am here to say that im sorry to say this, but bbq8 u r rong . rada ur mixin up yaself. reed da quran first and den we can tak u .

  22. art

    Holy Quran was given to people by Allah about 1400 years ago.Nobody knows about density and all that stuff during that time.There are no discovery about density during that time.Science is only explain how it is happened,not why..

  23. Allah

    Dear devoted,

    Please don’t try to explain holy words with science. Science is an evolving process which is trying to answer natural phenomina. It’ll tell you something’s right today and disprove it tomorrow.

    so stop wasting your time..

  24. Rukayah Amin

    Allah said and art said can u explain urself? thnx=)

  25. Ridah Booley

    Most of what is said is true.

    1. Im from cape town, and there is not such river.. other than at cape point where the two oceans meet (to be technical its not cape point really), however the salinity and molecule density is different thus creating a barrier.

    2. The miracle here is that Allah mentions this to us, and relayed to us via our Prophet, Thus proving that a illiterate man (as most of the west calls him has he has no formal education) could provide us with this notion. This So called illiterate man also gave indication of how the seas work despite not ever being on a boat… so devine revelation? i think so. Want more proof? what is the chemical element of iron? (its number on the periodic table?) compare that with what verse Allah mentions iron in the quran.

    Science is PART of Islam. its IQRA! (not just read but to learn and seek). So dont go believing this and that.. try to prove it… we might not be able to, but this will help us understand the Inspiring power of Allah’s might and will.

    Let me stop before i type a essay! :)

  26. yasin

    As Salam to all,

    If it is revealed in Quran then there we being muslims have to believe in it that so is called faith or Iman.

  27. john smith :D

    just chill out every1
    whether you believe in this or not it doesnt matter because ALLAH is true and the end will come a prove what needs to be proven in this world
    love u all peace xoxo

  28. mostafa

    i am from iran.i amtranslating an english book about quran.i have learn a lot about our glorious quran.i suggest that you read that book .its name is” the quran and modern science”.
    god bless you.

  29. Nobody

    I have just passed this part in the Quran, and I thought I’d look it up once again.

    I’m not one of these people like Anonymous Coward who will criticize another persons belief or religion, all I can say to those who cannot see the truth, take into consideration, it was stated in the Quran 1400 years ago…surely it cannot just be myth or fairy tales if it is indeed being discovered with modern science?

    Remember fellow believers, He guides who he pleases, and some will not believe even if all the signs and miracles were placed infront of them. :)

  30. Comail Ahmed

    Its also written in Quran…!!!! Chapter no 55 verse no 19,20. …… I am requesting to Kafirs and Inviting them to accept Islam …. Quran is Biggest book in the World … the great book …. Please read Quran with Tarjumah, translation…… it will help u in ur whole life …. inshallah u will do it….
    Jazak Allah Khair …. Subhan-allah

  31. Anzdelquane

    Hello
    Jut want to add something to your comment below…

    Facts:
    1.Two water bodies does not mix because of different in
    density. –> no magic
    2. The two rivers will not stay like this indefinitely, and
    will eventually mix –> true

    Here is something to think about

    3. if you examine closely Thurman discovery, you will see that the separation between different density of the two water bodies is forming vertical line, instead of ordinary horizontal which is commonly observe in earth.

    You see, when you mix to liquid of different density which chemically does not allow natural mixing in example water (density 1000 kg/m3) and oil (about 800 kg/m3), the water will eventually reside below the oil and forms a horizontal density layer instead of vertical. This is basic rules of gravity… The interesting about Thurman discovery is, the two water bodies meet and form vertical density layer and stays that way in certain depth Indefinitely –> This is the magic, its like it defies gravity rules, but is not.

    Now, I challenge you all, can you simulate this vertical density layer separation between two different density liquid, to be perform in laboratory scale

    what do you think?

    Andi (anzdelquane)

    Anonymous Coward
    April 7, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    Dear,

    The “observation” of the separation is not modern science. People since the stone age could see (they had eyes, and they had rivers) that some bodies of water do not mix. The Quran simply states that observation, it does not “explain” it, it just says there is a “barrier” between them.

    Modern science *explained* this phenomena, and guess what, there is no “barrier” between the two bodies. The reason is due difference in density, and not some magical barrier.

    You can see this “miracle” your self by pouring syrup into a glass of water. The phenomena with the Mediterranean and the Atlantic ocean is the same thing, just on a very large scale

  32. Anzdelquane

    Hello
    Just want to add something to your comment below…

    Facts:
    1.Two water bodies does not mix because of different in
    density. –> no magic
    2. The two rivers will not stay like this indefinitely, and
    will eventually mix –> true

    Here is something to think about

    3. if you examine closely Thurman discovery, you will see that the separation between different density of the two water bodies is forming vertical line, instead of ordinary horizontal which is commonly observe in earth.

    You see, when you mix two liquid of different density which chemically does not allow natural mixing in example water (density 1000 kg/m3) and oil (about 800 kg/m3), the water will eventually reside below the oil and forms a horizontal density layer instead of vertical. This is basic rules of gravity… The interesting about Thurman discovery is, the two water bodies meet and form vertical density layer and stays that way in certain depth Indefinitely –> This is the magic, its like it defies gravity rules, but is not.

    Now, I challenge you all, can you simulate this vertical density layer separation between two different density liquid, to be perform in laboratory scale

    what do you think?

    Andi (anzdelquane)

    Anonymous Coward
    April 7, 2008 at 2:10 pm
    Dear,

    The “observation” of the separation is not modern science. People since the stone age could see (they had eyes, and they had rivers) that some bodies of water do not mix. The Quran simply states that observation, it does not “explain” it, it just says there is a “barrier” between them.

    Modern science *explained* this phenomena, and guess what, there is no “barrier” between the two bodies. The reason is due difference in density, and not some magical barrier.

    You can see this “miracle” your self by pouring syrup into a glass of water. The phenomena with the Mediterranean and the Atlantic ocean is the same thing, just on a very large scale

  33. zee

    Thanks for sharing this amazing discovery of Quran. There are millions of reasons for every thing to happen. The question is Do you always want to analyze and judge your faith, or you want to simply be a believer , cuz there is always a reason to argue a fact, but what is your choice whether reasons and facts? reasons and faith? or just Faith?

  34. professr_tom

    To some extent one can translate “the will of Allah” as “the will of science” or “the will of nature.” Some force(s) keep these bodies of water apart. We may not fully understand the nature of those forces, or maybe we do, but in either case we can refer to those forces with some word. How we translate that word into our own (personal) languages is a matter of taste, style, fashion, peer pressure, whatever. I can talk about quantum physics with a Buddhist and he or she will understand things like dualism and complementary pairs but in his or her own way. Many concepts (such as the Tao) go back a long way, because people observed these things in nature. Our modern understanding of them is more technical and based on more careful observation, but you could easily argue that we still don’t “understand” all the modern scientific forces of nature. Quantum Theory and General Relativity, for example, two of the pillars of modern science, have yet to be reconciled. They contradict each other in places. So it is with earlier understandings of the world.

    Let each person choose his or her own way of understanding. That implies that one must not try to impose ones beliefs on others. Education is presentation of the material. That is, teachers do not “teach,” rather it is the students who must learn.

  35. Adil

    Subhan Allah……..

  36. AzhF

    I Just want to ask, Where are you Anonymous Coward ??? can you post some comments here, we have been missed you dear, or you don’t know what to say after you read all the comments.

    Be wise and smart!!! SORRY TO SAY THAT!

  37. HAC

    Dear Friends especially Anonymous Coward ,

    I am a chemical engineer doing much works in Fluid mechanics and Fluid dynamics.

    I know that it is bit late to reply. I am sorry that I am seeing this conversation now only.

    Your statement, two streams are not getting mixed up is because of different density and salinity, looks like illogical and against common behaviour of fluids. If the densities are different, at leasts as a minimum, Two streams should over lay another (Denser one at bottom and lighter one on top). Here the fact is both are flowing parallely.

    You told about pouring syrup into water…yes, you will see that. It is because of syrup’s viscosity. But you imagin, if it was flowing (in other sence, you stirr it / shake it) then you can see that both will get mixed up…..

    Finally.. There can be other immiscible liquids which can stay insoluble in other, but water with different properties cannot… atleast after a long run, it should mix-up.

    I am searching more on this…I am searching on this what our engineering forums are saying. so far no authorised explanation obtained. I will revert with more explanations.

    Hope we can move ahead with a positive conversation and learnig more things from the world.
    Thanks and regards,
    HAC

  38. HAC

    Dear Friends (especially Anonymous Coward)

    I am a chemcial engineer doing much works related to Fluid mechanics.

    The statement you made is not correct with respect to the common fluid behaviours. The two streams are not getting mixed is not because of the deifference in densities. If two streams are flowing with different densities, it should overlay other. and will not flow in parallel. The differnce in density is happened because of salinity (dissolved satls) and since salt is soluble in water, it will pass slowly to the other (difussion).

    Secondly, the story of syrup, it is not getting mix-d up because of it’s high viscosity. and at the same time you are keeping it not disturbed. if syrup content is soluble in water, it will slowly disappear.

    All the happenings in nature are well described by science. The above phenominon only is not referred as a miracle, but the way it noted is miracle as Mr. Ridah Booley said.

    The universe is expanding…. That’s not a miracle… Science explained it as increase in entropy of the universe, and for more stabilised positions, objects are moving apart.. and hence it is expanding.. but Quran… informed about it 1400 years back… That’s the miracle…

    Quran says to look into mosquitos to see God’s ability and unimaginable creativity…. Now science says… moquito is a very complicated creature….

    Onething is to be proved yet.
    Quran says… Towards the end, sun will rise on the west (means, earth will start rotating in reverse direction). Some studies started giving hints to it.It’s all about to prove.

    Quran says… Moon was split into half as miracle shown by Prophet Muhammed (SAW). Now it found that there is a rock belt across the moon in depth which will happen only if it was cut into half and rejoin.

    If we all really look into Quran’s each words.. it’s all interesting and informative in many ways

    Thera re many things more to write related with science itself (I have in my small mind). A scholar may not be able to completely describe the quran in his life time.

    Apart from all of these, Quran says many hystories also. How an illiterate person could get this much informations with in such short period …? That’s the miracle.

    Best Regards,
    HAC

  39. taz

    a picture plz would do

  40. H

    first of all subhanallah.
    i would like to comment about anonymous’s comment. back in them days there was no phones, there was no email, no way of contact. it would be hard to find another country due to insufficiant ways and types of knowledge. the Quran verses were sent from Allah, to the propeht Mohammed (s.a.w). the Quran shareef was written in saudi arabia. and this is cape town africa. as you can see there is some distance and back in them days it would be hard to travel and for people to know of this. back then water and food was also hard to find. as u can see it was all connected with science, but as we see it science has only come recently and these holy verses were written way before science was in the picture.

  41. This is interesting. However i do feel that Bermudian Triangle is another mystery which isn’t explored till now

  42. hi every body on the forum !
    Inspite of discussing all matter I just wanna point out Ridah Booley tht she has used the word “illiterate” 4 prophet (PBUH), plz dont use this word bcz this word has the meaning of uneducated as well as it describes nagative character so plz use word “uneducated” 4 prophet (PBUH).

  43. Prashant

    There may be possibility of cloud’s shade fallen on the river…

  44. Iqbal

    On the contrary Hassan, illiterate is more accurate than uneducated because the Prophet was not without education, he just couldn’t read or write.

  45. Khadija

    im HAC’s fan

  46. IRFAN

    Surely the disbelievers have a veil on their eyes and cannot see these signs ,
    good work guys ,
    i will end my comment with the verse of Quran
    “which of the favors of your LORD will you deny”




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